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Re : Brewer diet

Postby heather100 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 04:57 pm

by heather100 (1321 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 04:57 pm

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Originally posted by AundAPenner

Joy - I'm overwhelmed with the information you've provided.

Seeing as we're now into year 8 of the 21st century, I'm appalled that you would cite resources ranging from 1933 to 1982 (and only 2 of those sources were from 1982).

Do you have any information with research done in the 21st century?



Ditto. Why would anyone in their right mind base medical care for a patient using studies that are that old??? I'm baffled. Just goes more and more to prove that Brewer Diet does not work.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby caryn » Mon Feb 18, 2008 04:57 pm

by caryn (10131 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 04:57 pm

Not all research that was done in antiquity is automatically irrelevent just because it is old.

No. But when it is not confirmed by followup research, it is irrelevant.

Also, the fear that without antihypertensives the situation would go out of control is influenced by the process of mistaken information that was started in the late 1950's, primarily by manufacturers of prescription drugs.

Actually, in my case, it was influenced by the fact that I walked into L&D with pressures of 220/116.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby heather100 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:02 pm

by heather100 (1321 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:02 pm

Caryn, I think you are spinning your wheels. It's like trying to convince a strong Christian that God does not exist. No matter what research you provide, it will fall on deaf ears.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby djsnjones » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:03 pm

by djsnjones (38 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:03 pm

The Cochran Review on the subject of protein in pregnancy is notorious in some Brewer circles because it deals with studies that used protein powders and drinks, rather than getting all the protein from food--a practice strongly discouraged by Brewer, except possibly in the case of multiples.

Point well taken on your experience, Caryn. Let me clarify my statement...

Also, the fear that without antihypertensives the situation would go out of control is influenced by the process of mistaken information that was started in the late 1950's, primarily by manufacturers of prescription drugs. There are other therapies that work just as well, as I've already described, but they probably won't work if the mainstream antihypertensive therapies are used concurrently.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby laura » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:04 pm

by laura (5139 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:04 pm

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Re : Brewer diet

Postby caryn » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:08 pm

by caryn (10131 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:08 pm

Well, then, perhaps you'll have to conduct your own study to convince us.

If you can't get IRB approval, you won't be able to get funding, so I would suggest finding a researcher who does not believe that it would be unethical to use the ACOG's diet. IRBs will have no problem approving it, as their bioethicists don't think it's damaging.

They would not, however, allow women who were diagnostic for preeclampsia to be withheld the standard of care. This should not be a problem for you, however, since the Brewer diet patients shouldn't get preeclampsia, right? You won't need to resort to albumin infusions or withholding antihypertensives.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby djsnjones » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:10 pm

by djsnjones (38 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:10 pm

I would love nothing more than for this to be the definitive end of the discussion, but I do believe that it will continue to be a work in progress for a long time.

But I will rest for now. If you want to end this thread, I will respect that.

I will let you know when I find a professional researcher to give you more recent studies.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby caryn » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:11 pm

by caryn (10131 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:11 pm

There are other therapies that work just as well, as I've already described

You have claimed that they work just as well.

On the other hand, I stayed home and ate 52 eggs and drank four quarts of milk. And walked into L&D with pressures of 220/116 and +17,000 protein on a 24-hour catch.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby laura » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:18 pm

by laura (5139 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:18 pm

Joy, what I meant was- let's get all the arguments out on the table so we can either convince each other- or more likely- agree to disagree.

If we can do this rationally and respectfully and not get distracted into a flame-out by our feelings, then we can say we've hashed it out and leave it until we have new information available.
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Re : Brewer diet

Postby djsnjones » Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:22 pm

by djsnjones (38 Posts), Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:22 pm

Thanks for the clarification, Laura.

Agreeing to disagree for now sounds like a good plan to me.[:)]

Joy

PS. Caryn, I have a lot of respect for all that you did to try to help your body through this process. Thanks for telling me about it.
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