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Postby jgrumet » Sun Oct 18, 2009 01:56 am

http://apps.who.int/rhl/reviews/langs/CD001059.pdf

I know that people have brought up calcium supplements here, but no one seemed to be that excited about it.

Does it help at all?
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Postby julieb » Sun Oct 18, 2009 08:48 pm

Hmmm, I think I will ask my MFM about this in a couple weeks at my next appt. Thanks for posting the study, it was interesting to read.
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Postby love_the_daschies » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:09 pm

My MFM recommended calcium supplements - but my OB STRONGLY pushed then. I figured it's only calcium so no harm in taking it :) I take one with Vitamin D for a double whammy :) We'll see how it goes.
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Postby caryn » Mon Oct 19, 2009 01:01 am

That's the Cochrane Review, but that's a meta-analysis of a bunch of smaller studies.

Since then a much larger study has come out: Randomized placebo-controlled, double-blinded trial in nulliparous normotensive women from populations with dietary calcium < 600 mg/d... A 1.5-g calcium/day supplement did not prevent preeclampsia but did reduce its severity, maternal morbidity, and neonatal mortality, albeit these were secondary outcomes.

So basically in populations with really poor calcium intake it seems to reduce rates of eclampsia and severe hypertension, but preeclampsia rates didn't budge.

Here's current recs: Supplementation with fish oil, calcium, or vitamin C and E and the use of antihypertensives have been shown to be ineffective in the prevention of recurrent preeclampsia and are not recommended. Supplementation with low-dose aspirin may be offered on an individualized basis.
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Postby jgrumet » Mon Oct 19, 2009 02:39 am

Hm, too bad.

I can understand why they don't recommend it, but would it hurt to do all those things on top of LDA?
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Postby jules2 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 04:18 am

I've seen two different MFM equivalents in the UK - one of whom recommended calcium and one didn't.

I find it curious as to why its not recommended on the basis of the larger trial, because even if it doesn't change the primary outcome, pre-eclampsia rates, those secondary outcomes look really important to me. I mean, reducing severity, maternal morbidity, and neonatal mortality look like outcomes well worth having, don't they? Or did it not do anything in populations with higher dietary calcium intakes? What about women who don't eat diary products like me, I might well have a low calcium intake. Admittedly I've not read the papers.
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Postby caryn » Mon Oct 19, 2009 07:46 am

It didn't do anything to the Standard-American-Diet population in Chicago, IIRC -- I'll try to find the study.

They have hesitated to run with the "can't hurt might help" line of thinking after the bigger antioxidant trials started to come out. There's a plausible mechanism for action of antioxidants to prolong pregnancy, and while they were in trials everyone pretty much said, well goodness, vitamins C and E can't *hurt* you so go ahead and take them.

Then the study data showed that women supplementing antioxidants, while they didn't develop preeclampsia at higher rates, got sicker quicker, with earlier onset of preeclampsia and more severe cases.

And that made everyone say, wow. This is far more unintuitive than we thought. We had better stop saying, well it can't hurt, because we don't actually know.
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Postby love_the_daschies » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:16 am

Yeah, see my Dr. adviced me against extra Vit C & E and said it was not really needed. But - he did advice me to the calcium and vitamin D.
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Postby caryn » Mon Oct 19, 2009 02:27 pm

Here's the US study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11262466

"The objective of this analysis was to prospectively determine the effects of nutrient intakes on the incidences of preeclampsia and pregnancy-associated hypertension among women enrolled in the Calcium for Preeclampsia Prevention study... After adjustment for baseline risks, none of the 28 nutritional factors analyzed were significantly related to either preeclampsia or pregnancy-associated hypertension."

Jamie, there's no evidence that calcium harms. :-) There is that evidence in the antioxidant case, but I can completely see why someone would scrip CA just in case dietary intake put someone more into the category of the sampled Third-World population who had lower eclampsia rates if they were supplemented.

Vitamin D is still in massive studies. As I understand it there's some link between autoimmune conditions and low serum D, so we might just be picking out the population of women who are autoimmune. It has something to do with genetically variant receptors. (I know there have been a number of posters here who've had low D and needed really serious supplementation to raise their levels, and IIRC psoriasis patients are often just unresponsive to dietary supplementation of D and can only get more sun.)
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Postby patty » Thu Oct 22, 2009 05:12 pm

The peri I saw this last time at first suggested calcium until he found out I had a history of kidney stones, under that circumstance he felt like it would do more harm than good.
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